Mañana cumple años Ernesto Sabato, el último nombre, el último hombre notable de una generación fundamental de la literatura argentina. Noventa y nueve, nada más. Ese hijo que entre los 11 hermanos (11 varones) de una familia de inmigrantes calabreses llegó a escribir alguno de los títulos más representativos de una época y que alcanzó a convertirse en protagonista ineludible disputes in literary, aesthetic, political of his time. Today, four years ago that maintaining a healthy Ernesto Sabato imprisonment in the custody of their grandchildren and his son, film director Mario Sabato, who hopes to become the scene of their final steps tiling the floor of Holy Places, this neighborhood is for him, urbi et orbi, the whole world. Just
Mario Sabato, author of the documentary Ernesto Sabato, my father , premiered in Argentina a few months ago, is allowed to talk about the present and memories of the man who represents for him much more than one of only four Argentine have been honored to receive the Cervantes Prize in Literature. Talking about writer since its only possible place: the child.
- How do you feel in this relationship with that parent who has marked an important road and you sometimes, there is still large and Sabato's son?
"It's inevitable, but I'm used to. Began at 16 when my father began to be famous, and I had half a century to get accustomed. It is generally more trouble for others, as you have ask if I'm still upset when I do not mind at all. I'm used to, although it has its advantages and disadvantages, of course.
- What is the downside?
"The advantage is that my father has had many enemies in life and I inherited. Things sometimes do not dare tell my father to me they say to me, but good. My father always lived, and say ... I think it was Pirandello, vivere intensely, and when people live intensely ... well, actually, people do not know, but in the case of my father, has had enormous merit and has made huge mistakes , as befits those who would not stay quiet or they find that the world is indifferent. So it has always had enemies and those enemies try to discern between those who are simply out of envy, of those who have some weighty reasons to criticize.
- What has been the influence that a father has been the man for you?
"Luckily I thought his popularity as a teenager, right? Say, Dad, if I remember correctly, public On Heroes and Tombs, which was what became one of the references in the literature, not only Argentina, in 1963. And then I was already 18. So, it is easier to adjust. And there were times of great passions: the antinomies that have always existed, in that case reflected for example in Borges and Sabato, who was one of stupidity, because he chose to Borges Sabato was lost and he chose to Borges was lost to Sabato, right? It is better to say Borges and Sabato, or books and sandals. But were the passions, which were strong, and it was a field culture of militancy. There were disputes among literary magazines or sectors, I already very small part in The Gold Bug. Once we ran through Corrientes Avenue, dangerously because at that time was still double-hand, the Yaya Sebreli, but for reasons of literary and ideological positions ... It's better than this anyway hooligan fights, right? Seem more reasonable. Like I say this with humor and nostalgia, but sadly, is not it, I prefer those passions to others. Actually prefer the non passions passions. "It's
clear, but it achieved?
"No, not reached. Unfortunately (laughs).
"And after that, what have been rebuild a relationship in a space that was not on the run? Or always kept at a distance?
"No, no, no. The other day, I do not know where, I read some of Sebrelli and react with great antipathy. Then I wondered why such antipathy? And I was thinking, until I remembered this story. Anyway, what I ...
- his father's work, both literary and visual arts are charged, have very ominous, dark and awful. In everyday life, how appeared those spaces? I imagine they would have to appear.
-appeared, especially from humor and from the meaning of life: my father always had a tragic sense of life. In the family a little fade with time, because my kids definitely take a joke, then there began to understand a little more humor to this peculiarity of his character. But I would say in general was quite annoying: someone with the tragic sense of life is the worst that can happen to a family. What happens is that sense of tragedy, as regards transcendental and important things is almost always inevitable. Moreover, it is suspected someone in front of him happens in the world in many respects, I take a joke.
"You said recently that the grandchildren take it in jest. I imagine the grandchildren become one, somehow, a caricature of yourself ...
"A little yes. But I'm not a caricature, because the word is ugly ... a less severe picture ...
-Less solemn.
- Less formal! Yes.
- and how you feel about this character?
- Ah, no, fantastic. First I was surprised and then not only agreed, but promoted it. Many times he did things to cause fun of my children or daughters of my brother.
- How's your father today, continues to stay informed?
-No. For a while we have it in cotton and now it's fine. We wanted to happen in recent years in reasonably calm that would not have existed if we had let him see the papers and news.
"Then do not write, or make any intellectual activity.
-No.
"We never talked about . Where does the work of his father?
"No, no. He never took it as part of his work. He took it as part of a moral obligation he had. Say, like family, we remember (Understanding the importance that was capitalized), fills us with pride. But at the same time was an ordeal and a demolition for my father, who never overcame.
"All that prep work.
"No work, that was not serious because it is divided: there were many and very good at doing that job. The subject was near, because you suspected, but never imagined this level of horror. The brutality, the miserable, meet people looking for their relatives, knowing what had happened. That is something any sensible person does not pass without receiving tracks very, very deep, and left my father was devastating. He had three episodes in his life, which those who demolished: my mother's illness and subsequent death, the death of my brother and Conadep. These three things were the worst thing that could have happened to my father.
"You mentioned your mother and I think that that's the best way to end a conversation about her father. Would it have been possible without the work of Sabato Matilda?
"No way. I believe that there is community property, the dad's work. Dad wrote for Mom: Mom bound by, encouraged by mother, mother corrected. Powered by Mom. And the sad thing is that my mother was an excellent poet and never wanted to publish. That is, it gave itself the fate of being pushed and who held my father. And not only that, but my mother was really the only sensible person in my house when she died, it used the term, the situation gets out of hand. She was absolutely necessary, for everyone. So I think it works should be signed by Ernesto Sabato and Matilda. If I could do this heir would be an act of justice.
With Borges and Dad
"You just spoke precisely of the enemies and the enemies, and it is inevitable not to mention the controversy with Borges. Do you remember anything in particular that, a fact he stuck?
"Yes, also with the fervor of a teenager, right? Not even a teenager, because that story you did in '56, and I was 11. My family, not me, it was very small, it was not Peronist ... There is a huge difference between not being anti-Peronist Peronist: gorillas are generally those who criticize the Peronist for their virtues, when he has so many flaws that one could criticize. It was nothing dramatic, because I do not remember any sad situation in my childhood, on the contrary I had a very happy childhood, but we had bad for Peronism. And when the fall of Perón, the so-called revolution of liberation, my father was appointed director of Argentina and spent World to an era of prosperity was fleeting. At this time Dad bought his first car: I can never remember whether it was a landowner or the Fiat 1100 which he named in the film, a modest car, but it was the car. Well, got a complaint to the magazine, serious, that he was tortured Peronist workers and trade unionists. And my father complained to the magazine and on National Radio audition very culture in which they were the president of the Sade, I do not remember who it was, Borges, Dad ... Borges that complaint seemed in very bad taste I think. Was the reason for the fight, right? And at that moment what I deeply despised Borges was very young, but already knew that there was no good and torture torture bad, and I found someone who exercised the literature, one of the most noble things you can do one, could not have such pettiness. Well, luckily Borges people died and forgot about Borges Borges reminds despicable and worth, which is this gigantic letters.
And that's fine ... I say, forgetting that Borges is very timely as it does not deserve to be remembered.
And it does not deserve to be remembered: Borges as a person is much less than Borges as a writer and ultimately, what will remain is the literature. If it's worth. I party at this point I'm not sure what I believed then that a great film or a wonderful poem corresponded to a great person. Unfortunately not. Sometimes not, sometimes it does. In short, it does not matter too much, especially if you're not contemporary.
article originally appeared in the Culture section of Tiempo Argentino in June 2010, when Ernesto Sabato met 99 years.
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